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From: "Dave Gomberg" <gomberg1@wcf.com>
To: "Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:51 PM
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As usual, Tom did 70% of the lines and 10% of the info:
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:02:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
I was talking and thinking at the AGA convention about
having the
meeting this year here in SF or close by. Who is
serious about
this? Just me.......okay...... I have a few things to
say to make
this happen here but it'll be worth it and we can have
a strong turn
out here for sure.
We need to find a meeting place in about a month for
Nov's
meeting(Veteran's day weekend) with a decent reasonable
rate but a
nice place to be.
This will take work, but it will be worth it. It will
also help our
club.
What say you? A new Year's resolution? We have 2-3
speakers here
already. Amano like the west Coast. Claus does also,
Dave Wilson
from AUST might be interesting.
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:44:34 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Tom, I looked far and wide a couple of years ago and
the best deal is
Monterey. I can give a talk sometime about hotel rates
after owning a
motel in South Lake Tahoe for a year and learning a lot
about the inside
of
the business. But we ought to be able to make
something work in Monterey
or nearby.
From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:29:15 -0000
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Is it critical that the actual event location be in a
"high-profile"
city? Everyone loves to visit SFO, but expense is
always a factor
there.
Monterey would be great, but travel in for
out-of-towners would be
an added hassle since it's a 90-minute drive from any
bay-area
airports. What about areas like San Jose or somewhere
on the
penninsula?
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:27:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Monterey is doable. I have some friends there. We
also have the
best location but it's a far from the central area
where folks have
tanks, LFS's, airport (very important), as a field or
side trip, it
would be good though. Anything near Oakland airport
also, or SJ.
I'm attending a conference there in Jan and can check
out the rates.
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:35:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
SJ, Oakland is fine.
The main thing, unless you want everyone to fly here,
then get
cab/rent a car etc and schedule that, many folks come
in all
different hours and need an easy commute to the hotel.
I like the area and the MBA a lot. But the other parts
with transpo
need to be dealt with. Room rates run about 90$ a
night or so which
is about the deal rate we would get down there based on
the Western
Aqautic Weed management event I'm attending 3 weeks
from now.
I'll see about the transportation issues from SFO from
those folks.
But this is quite doable and the price is right for
most AGA members
and the BOD for AGA. If we clear that hurdle, then
this can happen
for SFBAAPS. So there is some incentative for you all.
This will help everyone, win win.
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:57:45 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
At 08:29 12/26/2004, bill_harada wrote:
>Monterey would be great, but travel in for
out-of-towners would be
>an added hassle since it's a 90-minute drive from any
bay-area
>airports.
Actually, flights into SFO, OAK, SJO and MRY (Monterey)
are all the
same fare.
From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:59:46 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
At 11:35 12/26/2004, Thomas Barr wrote:
>SJ, Oakland is fine.
>
>The main thing, unless you want everyone to fly here,
then get cab/rent
a
>car etc and schedule that, many folks come in all
different hours and
need
>an easy commute to the hotel.
I have run a meeting in Pebble Beach (right next to
Monterey) and meeting
folks at MRY is a piece of cake. We met every
incoming flight that had
attendees on it. There were only about six we had to
meet.
From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:18:07 -0000
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Really? I was checking fares on Yahoo and flying into
MRY was at
least $70 more (up to near $300 more) than flying into
SFO from JFK,
DFW, IAD, CHI, and SEA.
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:31:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Sounds good.
I'll talk to my big boss about it.
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:41:08 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
My understanding was that the fare was the same because
all those airports
were considered SFO for fare purposes. It may be that
the airlines that
have MRY flights cost more?
From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:47:05 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
I just checked UAL and it was $318 to SFO from IAD and
$338 to MRY
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:48:45 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Well, folks are ot going to do that much outside of the
event unless
they have plenty of time,come early etc. So MBA and
the town are
the sale. Folks can drive there, rent cars, car/Van
pool etc.
Chattanooga was that way for many folks as well(not
close to main
airports). I drove from Nashville(2.5 hours).
We can do the aquarium loop, Albany and Ocean Aquarium,
perhaps some
south bay stuff, or we can send them to the delta in
Stockton for a
boat ride to see real weed issues. There is also some
nice parks
down HWY 1 south and the Santa CRuz mountains offer a
lot not far
away. That will be the field trip, a day eariler.
Friday, MBA etc.
Kayaking in the kelp is also fun and there are enough
activities
there to keep folks busy outside of the event.
Mark Faulkner is now been promoted to curator so I'll
see what we
can work out with him, I'm sure a behind the scene tour
can be
arranged, there is no place like MBA and AGA will druel
about that.
So I will certainly look into this.
Tom Barr
From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:50:04 -0000
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Oh, I see now. I was just looking at lowest
fare...wasn't comparing
fares within the same carrier.
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:50:37 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
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Consider the TN event, very similar as far as location
issues.
Not close to main hubs, but close
enough(Atlanta/Nashville).
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:52:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
So are you two interested in really selling this to the
AGA? The
group will be invigorated, it'll mean a cool thing to
look forward
to later this year. I'll talk to Karen and Eric Olsen,
I already
did back in Nov and with GWAPA.
Our time has come.
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: nycsfo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:38:38 -0500
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
I all for a AGA convention out this way...and Monterey
sounds like
the best bet. We have connections at the Aquarium via
Mark, they
have the only great white shark in captivity living 100
days plus
and counting, cannery row and all the shops and
eateries make it
nice, and we can perhaps do something in the bay as Tom
suggests.
If Dave says Monterey could be the best venue
concerning hotel
rates, I'd run with it.
The best thing for me is I can drag the family down
there and they
will have plenty to do while I attend the "boring plant
meetings".
;^)
So...that's one vote for me for Monterey, and my offer
of help for
the cause.
Regards,
Michael Laflamme
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2K5
I'm heading down that way and can discuss it with the
local folks.
I sent Eric, Karen, Scott etc a floater prosal, Karen
and the group
seem pretty interested.
I think this can and will happen if we have some folks
willing to
help out some here. I'll deal with Hotel/meeting
stuff. I'll
speak, I'll help with getting the speakers, folks
scheduled, etc.
We can talk group to group with past host, DWF, GWAPA
etc for what
is required from sfbaaps. We have many skills within
the group
so......I think it's diverse and large enough to do
this and will
help us all.
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: fdeznaluis@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:01:18 EST
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Yes, Please have it there I can get all the vendors I
had back in 2002 and
probably more and not only that I can assure you many
people will be
willing to
help to make this happen! If my help is any good please
count me in!
Merry Christmas
Luis Navarro
Houston TX
From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:51:56 -0800
Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
I have been thinking about this some, and think if we
are to do this we
need a committed team. That means folks who will take
on and do the job,
even if it takes five hours a week for the next year.
And putting in a
20
hour week the week before the meeting (and attending
the meeting of
course).
Here is the team I have in mind:
EmCee Erik? Dave? Tom? Steve Dixon?
Program TBA
Field Trips Tom Barr
Hotel Dave Gomberg
MBA liaison Mark?
Registration TBA Naomi? Andrew? Troi?
Spkr liaison Karen Randall
Local shops Michael Laflamme
Finance Dave Gomberg
Restaurants TBA Alan Kaufmann????
I did not ask Tom for more because I want him to have
the time available
to
do a killer job on the field trip(s) as we know only
Tom can. I would
hope
he could arrange 2-3 trips if the time permits. And I
would like him to
give a great talk about them very early in the meeting
while attendees
could still be added.
The registration job is to manage the creation of the
registration packets
and make sure they are right and ready when needed. It
also involves
editing and printing the programs.
Alan, the restaurant job means to check out local
restaurants and prepare
a
restaurant list for attendees.
If your name does not appear above but you want to work
on the convention,
please email me off list.
Is everyone on board for this?
From: nycsfo@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:14:54 -0500
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Count me in Dave. I think you selected a proper job
for me.
Michael Laflamme
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:25:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
We could sure use any help and experiences Luis, thanks
for the kind
offer.
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:34:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Committed? Alan lets me out once a week:)
"I have been thinking about this some,"
Most of us have been:-)
" and think if we are to do this we
need a committed team. That means folks who will take
on and do the job,
even if it takes five hours a week for the next year.
And putting in a
20
hour week the week before the meeting (and attending
the meeting of
course)."
Yep.
"EmCee Erik? Dave? Tom? Steve Dixon?"
No problem if needed.
"Field Trips Tom Barr"
Already done.
"I did not ask Tom for more because I want him to have
the time available
to
do a killer job on the field trip(s) as we know only
Tom can. I would
hope
he could arrange 2-3 trips if the time permits. And I
would like him to
give a great talk about them very early in the meeting
while attendees
could still be added."
Sure. I'd like to add folks as they wish to hop on
board as well.
Mark also knows the place near by very well.
"The registration job is to manage the creation of the
registration
packets
and make sure they are right and ready when needed. It
also involves
editing and printing the programs."
This will be work.
"Alan, the restaurant job means to check out local
restaurants and prepare
a
restaurant list for attendees."
There's a ton of food places in Monterey to eat at.
Ideally a semi short walk to MBA for the location.
Scott is going to send the formal proposal after the
BOD approves it from
the AGA.
I will forward this to everyone for viewing.
Regards,
Tom Barr
From: Jim Lockhart <jlockhar@cisco.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:36:52 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Count me in too, I'm sure there is a ton of stuff we
will need volunteers
for. Monterey would be great, I'm heading down there
for a couple of days
right now.
I think Jeff and I could do a good job on the plant
auction.
It puts places like Albany about 2+ hours drive away,
but I guess we can
work that out as many of us will have cars down there.
How many people on average attend the AGA conference ?
Very exciting, lets arrange a get-together in Jan to
discuss this in more
detail. OH Volunteers ?
Jim.
From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:50:44 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Thank you Jim. I have added you and Jeff to the list.
We will need
commitment letters at some point, but not yet. AGA
wants to make sure
the
next convention is staffed by folks who will follow
thru.
From: "DAN HAYES" <uncommonsong@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:51:07 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Hey Dave. Let me know what I can do to help. I have
some extra time right
now, so let me know.
Regards,
Dan
From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:37:40 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Gee, Dan, there is not a lot to do till we have a
request to do something.
Although SFBAAPS should likely be the bidder on this
proposal, it is
really
the major players (volunteers) and their written
commitment to carry thru
on their promises that will win or lose the deal. So
we should all be
thinking if we are sure enough to put our promise to
work into writing.
From: "DAN HAYES" <uncommonsong@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:42:17 -0800
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Got it. If there's anything I can do, let me know.
Dan
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:25:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Greg Fiske <gfiske2@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
Dave, I'd like to help in any way I can. I am
moving back to
southern California in June, but will still attend the
convention and hopefully can help in some way during
the show.
Thanks, Greg
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