I agree! Brainstorming is good, I like the enthusiasm I see there too!!! On Tue, 28 Dec 2004, Karen Randall wrote:
No, I don't think he expects that at all. This is a conversation among the members of their club... they don't even know that we've seen this... it was forwarded to me by Dave G. To me they seem enthusiastic and willing to work. When they see our paperwork, they'll know that someone has to be designated as chairperson. (looks to me like Dave is positioning himself that way, quite frankly) No one is going to say, "Well, I'm gonna be chairman" at this point... it would probably seem a little presumptuous to the others. As far as the distance is concerned, first, we're not just talking about going to a fish shop. The Monterey Bay Aquarium IS exceptional. But second, they are also discussing other near-SF locations. Give them time to do their research. I think they are still very much at the brain-storming stage. And brain-storming can be a really good thing. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com> To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] They sound serious!Serious counts. But I still don't see who is in charge -- who will actually keep things moving in the right directions, prevent runaways, etc. Hmmm-- a 2-hour drive/ride and 2-hours back? That's a long day just to see a fish store. It almost sounds like they expect AGA to propose to them that they do the convention. Perhaps TB didn't understand when I said I would send the proposal requiremetns and guidelines doc after the BoD approved a revised version. sh --- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gomberg" <gomberg1@wcf.com> To: "Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Log of mail reduced from 3749 lines to 500....As usual, Tom did 70% of the lines and 10% of the info: From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:02:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 I was talking and thinking at the AGA convention abouthaving themeeting this year here in SF or close by. Who isserious aboutthis? Just me.......okay...... I have a few things tosay to makethis happen here but it'll be worth it and we can havea strong turnout here for sure. We need to find a meeting place in about a month forNov'smeeting(Veteran's day weekend) with a decent reasonablerate but anice place to be. This will take work, but it will be worth it. It willalso help ourclub. What say you? A new Year's resolution? We have 2-3speakers herealready. Amano like the west Coast. Claus does also,Dave Wilsonfrom AUST might be interesting. Regards, Tom Barr From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:44:34 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Tom, I looked far and wide a couple of years ago andthe best deal isMonterey. I can give a talk sometime about hotel ratesafter owning amotel in South Lake Tahoe for a year and learning a lotabout the inside ofthe business. But we ought to be able to makesomething work in Montereyor nearby. From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:29:15 -0000 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Is it critical that the actual event location be in a"high-profile"city? Everyone loves to visit SFO, but expense isalways a factorthere. Monterey would be great, but travel in forout-of-towners would bean added hassle since it's a 90-minute drive from anybay-areaairports. What about areas like San Jose or somewhereon thepenninsula? From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:27:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Monterey is doable. I have some friends there. Wealso have thebest location but it's a far from the central areawhere folks havetanks, LFS's, airport (very important), as a field orside trip, itwould be good though. Anything near Oakland airportalso, or SJ.I'm attending a conference there in Jan and can checkout the rates.Regards, Tom Barr From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:35:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 SJ, Oakland is fine. The main thing, unless you want everyone to fly here,then getcab/rent a car etc and schedule that, many folks comein alldifferent hours and need an easy commute to the hotel. I like the area and the MBA a lot. But the other partswith transponeed to be dealt with. Room rates run about 90$ anight or so whichis about the deal rate we would get down there based onthe WesternAqautic Weed management event I'm attending 3 weeksfrom now.I'll see about the transportation issues from SFO fromthose folks.But this is quite doable and the price is right formost AGA membersand the BOD for AGA. If we clear that hurdle, thenthis can happenfor SFBAAPS. So there is some incentative for you all. This will help everyone, win win. Regards, Tom Barr From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:57:45 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 At 08:29 12/26/2004, bill_harada wrote: >Monterey would be great, but travel in forout-of-towners would be>an added hassle since it's a 90-minute drive from anybay-area>airports. Actually, flights into SFO, OAK, SJO and MRY (Monterey)are all thesame fare. From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:59:46 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 At 11:35 12/26/2004, Thomas Barr wrote: >SJ, Oakland is fine. > >The main thing, unless you want everyone to fly here,then get cab/rent a>car etc and schedule that, many folks come in alldifferent hours and need>an easy commute to the hotel. I have run a meeting in Pebble Beach (right next toMonterey) and meetingfolks at MRY is a piece of cake. We met everyincoming flight that hadattendees on it. There were only about six we had tomeet.From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:18:07 -0000 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Really? I was checking fares on Yahoo and flying intoMRY was atleast $70 more (up to near $300 more) than flying intoSFO from JFK,DFW, IAD, CHI, and SEA. From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:31:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Sounds good. I'll talk to my big boss about it. Regards, Tom Barr From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:41:08 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 My understanding was that the fare was the same becauseall those airportswere considered SFO for fare purposes. It may be thatthe airlines thathave MRY flights cost more? From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:47:05 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 I just checked UAL and it was $318 to SFO from IAD and$338 to MRYFrom: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:48:45 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Well, folks are ot going to do that much outside of theevent unlessthey have plenty of time,come early etc. So MBA andthe town arethe sale. Folks can drive there, rent cars, car/Vanpool etc.Chattanooga was that way for many folks as well(notclose to mainairports). I drove from Nashville(2.5 hours). We can do the aquarium loop, Albany and Ocean Aquarium,perhaps somesouth bay stuff, or we can send them to the delta inStockton for aboat ride to see real weed issues. There is also somenice parksdown HWY 1 south and the Santa CRuz mountains offer alot not faraway. That will be the field trip, a day eariler.Friday, MBA etc.Kayaking in the kelp is also fun and there are enoughactivitiesthere to keep folks busy outside of the event. Mark Faulkner is now been promoted to curator so I'llsee what wecan work out with him, I'm sure a behind the scene tourcan bearranged, there is no place like MBA and AGA will druelabout that.So I will certainly look into this. Tom Barr From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:50:04 -0000 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Oh, I see now. I was just looking at lowestfare...wasn't comparingfares within the same carrier. From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:50:37 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Consider the TN event, very similar as far as locationissues.Not close to main hubs, but closeenough(Atlanta/Nashville).Regards, Tom Barr From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:52:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 So are you two interested in really selling this to theAGA? Thegroup will be invigorated, it'll mean a cool thing tolook forwardto later this year. I'll talk to Karen and Eric Olsen,I alreadydid back in Nov and with GWAPA. Our time has come. Regards, Tom Barr From: nycsfo@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:38:38 -0500 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 I all for a AGA convention out this way...and Montereysounds likethe best bet. We have connections at the Aquarium viaMark, theyhave the only great white shark in captivity living 100days plusand counting, cannery row and all the shops andeateries make itnice, and we can perhaps do something in the bay as Tomsuggests.If Dave says Monterey could be the best venueconcerning hotelrates, I'd run with it. The best thing for me is I can drag the family downthere and theywill have plenty to do while I attend the "boring plantmeetings".;^) So...that's one vote for me for Monterey, and my offerof help forthe cause. Regards, Michael Laflamme From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:51:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2K5 I'm heading down that way and can discuss it with thelocal folks.I sent Eric, Karen, Scott etc a floater prosal, Karenand the groupseem pretty interested. I think this can and will happen if we have some folkswilling tohelp out some here. I'll deal with Hotel/meetingstuff. I'llspeak, I'll help with getting the speakers, folksscheduled, etc.We can talk group to group with past host, DWF, GWAPAetc for whatis required from sfbaaps. We have many skills withinthe groupso......I think it's diverse and large enough to dothis and willhelp us all. Regards, Tom Barr From: fdeznaluis@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:01:18 EST Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Yes, Please have it there I can get all the vendors Ihad back in 2002 andprobably more and not only that I can assure you manypeople will be willing tohelp to make this happen! If my help is any good pleasecount me in!Merry Christmas Luis Navarro Houston TX From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:51:56 -0800 Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 I have been thinking about this some, and think if weare to do this weneed a committed team. That means folks who will takeon and do the job,even if it takes five hours a week for the next year.And putting in a 20hour week the week before the meeting (and attendingthe meeting of course).Here is the team I have in mind: EmCee Erik? Dave? Tom? Steve Dixon? Program TBA Field Trips Tom Barr Hotel Dave Gomberg MBA liaison Mark? Registration TBA Naomi? Andrew? Troi? Spkr liaison Karen Randall Local shops Michael Laflamme Finance Dave Gomberg Restaurants TBA Alan Kaufmann???? I did not ask Tom for more because I want him to havethe time available todo a killer job on the field trip(s) as we know onlyTom can. I would hopehe could arrange 2-3 trips if the time permits. And Iwould like him togive a great talk about them very early in the meetingwhile attendeescould still be added. The registration job is to manage the creation of theregistration packetsand make sure they are right and ready when needed. Italso involvesediting and printing the programs. Alan, the restaurant job means to check out localrestaurants and prepare arestaurant list for attendees. If your name does not appear above but you want to workon the convention,please email me off list. Is everyone on board for this? From: nycsfo@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:14:54 -0500 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Count me in Dave. I think you selected a proper jobfor me.Michael Laflamme From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:25:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 We could sure use any help and experiences Luis, thanksfor the kind offer.Regards, Tom Barr From: Thomas Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:34:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Committed? Alan lets me out once a week:) "I have been thinking about this some," Most of us have been:-) " and think if we are to do this we need a committed team. That means folks who will takeon and do the job,even if it takes five hours a week for the next year.And putting in a 20hour week the week before the meeting (and attendingthe meeting of course)."Yep. "EmCee Erik? Dave? Tom? Steve Dixon?" No problem if needed. "Field Trips Tom Barr" Already done. "I did not ask Tom for more because I want him to havethe time available todo a killer job on the field trip(s) as we know onlyTom can. I would hopehe could arrange 2-3 trips if the time permits. And Iwould like him togive a great talk about them very early in the meetingwhile attendeescould still be added." Sure. I'd like to add folks as they wish to hop onboard as well.Mark also knows the place near by very well. "The registration job is to manage the creation of theregistration packetsand make sure they are right and ready when needed. Italso involvesediting and printing the programs." This will be work. "Alan, the restaurant job means to check out localrestaurants and prepare arestaurant list for attendees." There's a ton of food places in Monterey to eat at. Ideally a semi short walk to MBA for the location. Scott is going to send the formal proposal after theBOD approves it fromthe AGA. I will forward this to everyone for viewing. Regards, Tom Barr From: Jim Lockhart <jlockhar@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:36:52 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Count me in too, I'm sure there is a ton of stuff wewill need volunteersfor. Monterey would be great, I'm heading down therefor a couple of daysright now. I think Jeff and I could do a good job on the plantauction.It puts places like Albany about 2+ hours drive away,but I guess we canwork that out as many of us will have cars down there. How many people on average attend the AGA conference ? Very exciting, lets arrange a get-together in Jan todiscuss this in moredetail. OH Volunteers ? Jim. From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:50:44 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Thank you Jim. I have added you and Jeff to the list.We will needcommitment letters at some point, but not yet. AGAwants to make sure thenext convention is staffed by folks who will followthru.From: "DAN HAYES" <uncommonsong@msn.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:51:07 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Hey Dave. Let me know what I can do to help. I havesome extra time rightnow, so let me know. Regards, Dan From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:37:40 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Gee, Dan, there is not a lot to do till we have arequest to do something.Although SFBAAPS should likely be the bidder on thisproposal, it is reallythe major players (volunteers) and their writtencommitment to carry thruon their promises that will win or lose the deal. Sowe should all bethinking if we are sure enough to put our promise towork into writing.From: "DAN HAYES" <uncommonsong@msn.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:42:17 -0800 Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Got it. If there's anything I can do, let me know. Dan Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Fiske <gfiske2@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005 Dave, I'd like to help in any way I can. I ammoving back tosouthern California in June, but will still attend the convention and hopefully can help in some way duringthe show.Thanks, Greg -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcfdot comhttp://www.wcf.com/apbook for Kasselmann's "AquariumPlants" book SPECIAL------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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