Re: [AGA-sc] They sound serious!

["Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>]

No, I don't think he expects that at all.  This is a conversation among the
members of their club... they don't even know that we've seen this... it was
forwarded to me by Dave G.

To me they seem enthusiastic and willing to work.  When they see our
paperwork, they'll know that someone has to be designated as chairperson.
(looks to me like Dave is positioning himself that way, quite frankly)  No
one is going to say, "Well, I'm gonna be chairman" at this point... it would
probably seem a little presumptuous to the others.

As far as the distance is concerned, first, we're not just talking about
going to a fish shop.  The Monterey Bay Aquarium IS exceptional.  But
second, they are also discussing other near-SF locations.  Give them time to
do their research.  I think they are still very much at the brain-storming
stage.  And brain-storming can be a really good thing.

Karen


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S. Hieber" <shieber@yahoo.com>
To: "Aquatic Gardeners Association Board" <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] They sound serious!


> Serious counts. But I still don't see who is in charge --
> who will actually keep things moving in the right
> directions, prevent runaways, etc.
>
> Hmmm-- a 2-hour drive/ride and 2-hours back? That's a long
> day just to see a fish store.
>
> It almost sounds like they expect AGA to propose to them
> that they do the convention. Perhaps TB didn't understand
> when I said I would send the proposal requiremetns and
> guidelines doc after the BoD approved a revised version.
>
>
> sh
> --- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dave Gomberg" <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > To: "Karen Randall" <krandall@rdrcpa.biz>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:51 PM
> > Subject: Log of mail reduced from 3749 lines to 500....
> >
> >
> > > As usual, Tom did 70% of the lines and 10% of the info:
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:02:28 -0800 (PST)
> > > Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > I was talking and thinking at the AGA convention about
> > having the
> > > meeting this year here in SF or close by.  Who is
> > serious about
> > > this?  Just me.......okay......  I have a few things to
> > say to make
> > > this happen here but it'll be worth it and we can have
> > a strong turn
> > > out here for sure.
> > >
> > > We need to find a meeting place in about a month for
> > Nov's
> > > meeting(Veteran's day weekend) with a decent reasonable
> > rate but a
> > > nice place to be.
> > >
> > > This will take work, but it will be worth it.  It will
> > also help our
> > > club.
> > >
> > > What say you?  A new Year's resolution?  We have 2-3
> > speakers here
> > > already.  Amano like the west Coast.  Claus does also,
> > Dave Wilson
> > > from AUST might be interesting.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 07:44:34 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom, I looked far and wide a couple of years ago and
> > the best deal is
> > > Monterey.  I can give a talk sometime about hotel rates
> > after owning a
> > > motel in South Lake Tahoe for a year and learning a lot
> > about the inside
> > of
> > > the business.   But we ought to be able to make
> > something work in Monterey
> > > or nearby.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:29:15 -0000
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Is it critical that the actual event location be in a
> > "high-profile"
> > > city? Everyone loves to visit SFO, but expense is
> > always a factor
> > > there.
> > >
> > > Monterey would be great, but travel in for
> > out-of-towners would be
> > > an added hassle since it's a 90-minute drive from any
> > bay-area
> > > airports. What about areas like San Jose or somewhere
> > on the
> > > penninsula?
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:27:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Monterey is doable.  I have some friends there.  We
> > also have the
> > > best location but it's a far from the central area
> > where folks have
> > > tanks, LFS's, airport (very important), as a field or
> > side trip, it
> > > would be good though.  Anything near Oakland airport
> > also, or SJ.
> > >
> > > I'm attending a conference there in Jan and can check
> > out the rates.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:35:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > > SJ, Oakland is fine.
> > >
> > > The main thing, unless you want everyone to fly here,
> > then get
> > > cab/rent a car etc and schedule that, many folks come
> > in all
> > > different hours and need an easy commute to the hotel.
> > >
> > > I like the area and the MBA a lot.  But the other parts
> > with transpo
> > > need to be dealt with.  Room rates run about 90$ a
> > night or so which
> > > is about the deal rate we would get down there based on
> > the Western
> > > Aqautic Weed management event I'm attending 3 weeks
> > from now.
> > >
> > > I'll see about the transportation issues from SFO from
> > those folks.
> > >
> > > But this is quite doable and the price is right for
> > most AGA members
> > > and the BOD for AGA.  If we clear that hurdle, then
> > this can happen
> > > for SFBAAPS.  So there is some incentative for you all.
> > >
> > > This will help everyone, win win.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > > From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:57:45 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 08:29 12/26/2004, bill_harada wrote:
> > >
> > >  >Monterey would be great, but travel in for
> > out-of-towners would be
> > >  >an added hassle since it's a 90-minute drive from any
> > bay-area
> > >  >airports.
> > >
> > > Actually, flights into SFO, OAK, SJO and MRY (Monterey)
> > are all the
> > > same fare.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:59:46 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > At 11:35 12/26/2004, Thomas  Barr wrote:
> > >  >SJ, Oakland is fine.
> > >  >
> > >  >The main thing, unless you want everyone to fly here,
> > then get cab/rent
> > a
> > >  >car etc and schedule that, many folks come in all
> > different hours and
> > need
> > >  >an easy commute to the hotel.
> > >
> > > I have run a meeting in Pebble Beach (right next to
> > Monterey) and meeting
> > > folks at MRY is a piece of cake.   We met every
> > incoming flight that had
> > > attendees on it.  There were only about six we had to
> > meet.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:18:07 -0000
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Really? I was checking fares on Yahoo and flying into
> > MRY was at
> > > least $70 more (up to near $300 more) than flying into
> > SFO from JFK,
> > > DFW, IAD, CHI, and SEA.
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:31:21 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Sounds good.
> > > I'll talk to my big boss about it.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:41:08 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > My understanding was that the fare was the same because
> > all those airports
> > > were considered SFO for fare purposes.   It may be that
> > the airlines that
> > > have MRY flights cost more?
> > >
> > > From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:47:05 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > I just checked UAL and it was $318 to SFO from IAD and
> > $338 to MRY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:48:45 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, folks are ot going to do that much outside of the
> > event unless
> > > they have plenty of time,come early etc.  So MBA and
> > the town are
> > > the sale.  Folks can drive there, rent cars, car/Van
> > pool etc.
> > >
> > > Chattanooga was that way for many folks as well(not
> > close to main
> > > airports).  I drove from Nashville(2.5 hours).
> > >
> > > We can do the aquarium loop, Albany and Ocean Aquarium,
> > perhaps some
> > > south bay stuff, or we can send them to the delta in
> > Stockton for a
> > > boat ride to see real weed issues.  There is also some
> > nice parks
> > > down HWY 1 south and the Santa CRuz mountains offer a
> > lot not far
> > > away.  That will be the field trip, a day eariler.
> > Friday, MBA etc.
> > >
> > > Kayaking in the kelp is also fun and there are enough
> > activities
> > > there to keep folks busy outside of the event.
> > >
> > > Mark Faulkner is now been promoted to curator so I'll
> > see what we
> > > can work out with him, I'm sure a behind the scene tour
> > can be
> > > arranged, there is no place like MBA and AGA will druel
> > about that.
> > >
> > > So I will certainly look into this.
> > >
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > > From: "bill_harada" <wkharada@hotmail.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:50:04 -0000
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh, I see now. I was just looking at lowest
> > fare...wasn't comparing
> > > fares within the same carrier.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:50:37 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Consider the TN event, very similar as far as location
> > issues.
> > >
> > > Not close to main hubs, but close
> > enough(Atlanta/Nashville).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:52:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > So are you two interested in really selling this to the
> > AGA?  The
> > > group will be invigorated, it'll mean a cool thing to
> > look forward
> > > to later this year.  I'll talk to Karen and Eric Olsen,
> > I already
> > > did back in Nov and with GWAPA.
> > >
> > > Our time has come.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > >
> > > From: nycsfo@aol.com
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:38:38 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > I all for a AGA convention out this way...and Monterey
> > sounds like
> > > the best bet.  We have connections at the Aquarium via
> > Mark, they
> > > have the only great white shark in captivity living 100
> > days plus
> > > and counting, cannery row and all the shops and
> > eateries make it
> > > nice, and we can perhaps do something in the bay as Tom
> > suggests.
> > > If Dave says Monterey could be the best venue
> > concerning hotel
> > > rates, I'd run with it.
> > >
> > > The best thing for me is I can drag the family down
> > there and they
> > > will have plenty to do while I attend the "boring plant
> > meetings".
> > > ;^)
> > >
> > > So...that's one vote for me for Monterey, and my offer
> > of help for
> > > the cause.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael Laflamme
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:51:42 -0800 (PST)
> > > Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2K5
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm heading down that way and can discuss it with the
> > local folks.
> > > I sent Eric, Karen, Scott etc a floater prosal, Karen
> > and the group
> > > seem pretty interested.
> > >
> > > I think this can and will happen if we have some folks
> > willing to
> > > help out some here.  I'll deal with Hotel/meeting
> > stuff.  I'll
> > > speak, I'll help with getting the speakers, folks
> > scheduled, etc.
> > >
> > > We can talk group to group with past host, DWF, GWAPA
> > etc for what
> > > is required from sfbaaps.  We have many skills within
> > the group
> > > so......I think it's diverse and large enough to do
> > this and will
> > > help us all.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > >
> > > From: fdeznaluis@aol.com
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:01:18 EST
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, Please have it there I can get all the vendors I
> > had back in 2002 and
> > > probably more and not only that I can assure you many
> > people will be
> > willing to
> > > help to make this happen! If my help is any good please
> > count me in!
> > > Merry Christmas
> > > Luis Navarro
> > > Houston TX
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:51:56 -0800
> > > Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have been thinking about this some, and think if we
> > are to do this we
> > > need a committed team.  That means folks who will take
> > on and do the job,
> > > even if it takes five hours a week for the next year.
> > And putting in a
> > 20
> > > hour week the week before the meeting (and attending
> > the meeting of
> > course).
> > >
> > > Here is the team I have in mind:
> > >
> > > EmCee         Erik?  Dave?   Tom?   Steve Dixon?
> > > Program       TBA
> > > Field Trips   Tom Barr
> > > Hotel         Dave Gomberg
> > > MBA liaison   Mark?
> > > Registration  TBA  Naomi?  Andrew?  Troi?
> > > Spkr liaison  Karen Randall
> > > Local shops   Michael Laflamme
> > > Finance       Dave Gomberg
> > > Restaurants   TBA  Alan Kaufmann????
> > >
> > > I did not ask Tom for more because I want him to have
> > the time available
> > to
> > > do a killer job on the field trip(s) as we know only
> > Tom can.  I would
> > hope
> > > he could arrange 2-3 trips if the time permits.   And I
> > would like him to
> > > give a great talk about them very early in the meeting
> > while attendees
> > > could still be added.
> > >
> > > The registration job is to manage the creation of the
> > registration packets
> > > and make sure they are right and ready when needed.  It
> > also involves
> > > editing and printing the programs.
> > >
> > > Alan, the restaurant job means to check out local
> > restaurants and prepare
> > a
> > > restaurant list for attendees.
> > >
> > > If your name does not appear above but you want to work
> > on the convention,
> > > please email me off list.
> > >
> > > Is everyone on board for this?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: nycsfo@aol.com
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 22:14:54 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Count me in Dave.  I think you selected a proper job
> > for me.
> > >
> > > Michael Laflamme
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:25:59 -0800 (PST)
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We could sure use any help and experiences Luis, thanks
> > for the kind
> > offer.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Thomas  Barr <tcbiii@earthlink.net>
> > > Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:34:36 -0800 (PST)
> > > Subject: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Committed? Alan lets me out once a week:)
> > >
> > > "I have been thinking about this some,"
> > >
> > > Most of us have been:-)
> > >
> > > " and think if we are to do this we
> > > need a committed team.  That means folks who will take
> > on and do the job,
> > > even if it takes five hours a week for the next year.
> > And putting in a
> > 20
> > > hour week the week before the meeting (and attending
> > the meeting of
> > course)."
> > >
> > > Yep.
> > >
> > >
> > > "EmCee         Erik?  Dave?   Tom?   Steve Dixon?"
> > >
> > > No problem if needed.
> > >
> > > "Field Trips   Tom Barr"
> > >
> > > Already done.
> > >
> > > "I did not ask Tom for more because I want him to have
> > the time available
> > to
> > > do a killer job on the field trip(s) as we know only
> > Tom can.  I would
> > hope
> > > he could arrange 2-3 trips if the time permits.   And I
> > would like him to
> > > give a great talk about them very early in the meeting
> > while attendees
> > > could still be added."
> > >
> > > Sure.  I'd like to add folks as they wish to hop on
> > board as well.
> > > Mark also knows the place near by very well.
> > >
> > > "The registration job is to manage the creation of the
> > registration
> > packets
> > > and make sure they are right and ready when needed.  It
> > also involves
> > > editing and printing the programs."
> > >
> > > This will be work.
> > >
> > > "Alan, the restaurant job means to check out local
> > restaurants and prepare
> > a
> > > restaurant list for attendees."
> > >
> > > There's a ton of food places in Monterey to eat at.
> > > Ideally a semi short walk to MBA for the location.
> > >
> > > Scott is going to send the formal proposal after the
> > BOD approves it from
> > > the AGA.
> > > I will forward this to everyone for viewing.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tom Barr
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jim Lockhart <jlockhar@cisco.com>
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:36:52 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Count me in too, I'm sure there is a ton of stuff we
> > will need volunteers
> > > for. Monterey would be great, I'm heading down there
> > for a couple of days
> > > right now.
> > >
> > > I think Jeff and I could do a good job on the plant
> > auction.
> > >
> > > It puts places like Albany about 2+ hours drive away,
> > but I guess we can
> > > work that out as many of us will have cars down there.
> > >
> > > How many people on average attend the AGA conference ?
> > >
> > > Very exciting, lets arrange a get-together in Jan to
> > discuss this in more
> > > detail. OH Volunteers ?
> > >
> > > Jim.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:50:44 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you Jim.   I have added you and Jeff to the list.
> >   We will need
> > > commitment letters at some point, but not yet.   AGA
> > wants to make sure
> > the
> > > next convention is staffed by folks who will follow
> > thru.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "DAN HAYES" <uncommonsong@msn.com>
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:51:07 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Dave. Let me know what I can do to help. I have
> > some extra time right
> > > now, so let me know.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Dave Gomberg <gomberg1@wcf.com>
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:37:40 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gee, Dan, there is not a lot to do till we have a
> > request to do something.
> > >
> > > Although SFBAAPS should likely be the bidder on this
> > proposal, it is
> > really
> > > the major players (volunteers) and their written
> > commitment to carry thru
> > > on their promises that will win or lose the deal.  So
> > we should all be
> > > thinking if we are sure enough to put our promise to
> > work into writing.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "DAN HAYES" <uncommonsong@msn.com>
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:42:17 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got it. If there's anything I can do, let me know.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:25:11 -0800 (PST)
> > > From: Greg Fiske <gfiske2@sbcglobal.net>
> > > Subject: Re: SFBAAPS: AGA 2005
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave, I'd like to help in any way I can.&nbsp; I am
> > moving back to
> > > southern California in June, but will still attend the
> > > convention and hopefully can help in some way during
> > the show.
> > > Thanks, Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Gomberg, San Francisco   NE5EE     gomberg1 at wcf
> > dot com
> > > http://www.wcf.com/apbook  for Kasselmann's "Aquarium
> > Plants" book SPECIAL
> > >
> >
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