Re: [AGA-sc] Speakers and Aquascaping Demos

[Cheryl Rogers <cheryl@dustyuniverse.com>]

We really need to make a decision and move discussions back to the 
conheads list. Other volunteers are probably asking themselves why they 
were invited to a discussion in which they are not being allowed to 
participate.

I think we should go ahead with the Iwagumi challenge.

Cheryl



Karen Randall wrote:
> Well, the _timed_ part of the IA challenge was 1 hour.  It was probably 3
> hours if you include the time needed to set everything up and move it all
> out of the room again.  It would be less for a dry aquascape competition,
> but certainly not insignificant.  So that's another point to consider.  If
> we only get a half hour of "entertainment time" out of it, is it worth the
> work involved?
> 
> I'm not saying yes or no; I have less objection to a dry scape than anything
> that includes plants and water.  But we do need to think this through. (and
> I agree, the same materials could then be used for the "sandbox" idea)
> 
> Karen
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com] On
> Behalf Of Cheryl Rogers
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 11:34 PM
> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Speakers and Aquascaping Demos
> 
> The concensus here seems to be that we are negative-to-ambivalent about 
> a full Iron Aquascaper contest with water and plants, and 
> positive-to-ambivalent to an Iwagumi challenge with hardscape and 
> substrate only.
> 
> So unless Amano says something really startling about his demo, I think 
> we should go ahead and do the Iwagumi challenge. I don't really see my 
> sandbox idea as being mutually exclusive. We can let folks play with the 
> rocks and still use them for the challenge, whatever night we do that. 
> The wet Iron Aquascaper took 1 hour, right? Surely we could do a 
> hsrdscape competition in 30 minutes, and then Amano could help judge to 
> "honor" him for using his NA Party idea.
> 
> Cheryl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Karen Randall wrote:
>> Just to be clear, I don't have a bad opinion of the Senskes at all.  I
> like
>> them both very much.  But we haven't had ANY speaker (including Amano,
>> Claus, Christel or Ole) with the (recent) frequency of the Senskes.  It
>> doesn't matter how good (or not good) they are, when you have the same
>> speaker too often, it gets old.
>>
>> BTW, I'm only about 45 min from down town.  So if you have a car and time
>> for a visit, I'd love to invite you for dinner!
>>
>> Karen
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com [mailto:aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com] On
>> Behalf Of Larry Lampert
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:08 AM
>> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
>> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Speakers and Aquascaping Demos
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> Sorry I am late on this but I have just caught up on
>> emails. I am in Boston at a trade show all week so it
>> maybe difficult to get me by email.
>>
>> I have only a minute so I am going to be brief....
>>
>> Jeff and/or Mike can talk we can decide who.
>> Regardless of what our opinions are about them
>> personally they are well known and folks enjoy hearing
>> them. 
>>
>> The Iron Aquascaper is an offer we can either, accept,
>> turn it down, or propose a counteroffer.
>> If we do it I would prefer to do the Iwagumi- I don't
>> think it matters to much that it is a rip off of ADA's
>> idea ;-)   
>>
>>
>> We have time to figure this out without everyone
>> getting upset about things yet. Please save that for a
>> week or two out when someone cancels on us and we have
>> no time to backfill ;-).
>>
>> As far as scheduling Karen has already done what I
>> suggested earlierwhich is to first ask Amano and then
>> schedule aroundhis time preferences. 
>>
>> I have a call with  Seachem scheduled for this
>> morning. I will give a report tonight. This may help
>> answer some questions. I would like  to table Karen's
>> vote until then.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> --- Karen Randall <krandall@rdrcpa.biz> wrote:
>>
>>> OK guys, we don't need people to start lurking.  We
>>> need to discuss this,
>>> (and that means EVERYONE, particularly those who
>>> have not yet expressed an
>>> opinion) make a decision and then get back to work. 
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> So far, it looks like we've got Larry and Scott for
>>> doing IA, and Karen and
>>> Erik against.  If it takes doing it by a vote, I
>>> make the following motions:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 1.  I move that we NOT hold the IA competition this
>>> year, thank Jeff
>>> very much for his offer of organizing it, and ask
>>> for a rain check for the
>>> next convention. (avoiding ruffled feathers by
>>> pointing out that we don't
>>> want to rain on Amano's parade)
>>> 2.  I move that we set up two or three (10 gallon?)
>>> tanks with sand and
>>> nice rocks in the vendor room for people to play
>>> with during the convention.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>   _____  
>>>
>>> From: aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com
>>> [mailto:aga-sc-bounces@thekrib.com] On
>>> Behalf Of S. Hieber
>>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:06 PM
>>> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
>>> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Speakers and Aquascaping Demos
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I did not think that holding diff points the view
>>> and discussing them was
>>> seen as insisting on something.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I'll ratchet back. Althought, we might all end up
>>> lurking.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> sh
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Erik Olson <erik@thekrib.com>
>>> To: Aquatic Gardeners Association Board
>>> <aga-sc@thekrib.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 7:17:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AGA-sc] Speakers and Aquascaping Demos
>>>
>>> Notwithstanding what Scott said off-list, I get a
>>> "this is what we're 
>>> gonna do" vibe coming from him, and to a lesser
>>> extent, Larry. It feels 
>>> like my input is being ignored, and it has certainly
>>> made me reconsider 
>>> how much energy I wish to put into the planning of
>>> the event.  It's 
>>> especially maddening after the many many months of
>>> being asked for input 
>>> on the hotel contract (areas which I feel massively
>>> NOT qualified to help 
>>> out on)... then suddenly to be presented with
>>> "here's who we're asking to 
>>> speak, and we're going to do Iron Aquascaper, and a
>>> demo", etc, in the 
>>> areas which I *am* qualified to give opinions.
>>>
>>> I will rehash what I have mostly stated on conheads,
>>> in a more concise 
>>> format.  Then I will go back to lurking:
>>>
>>> 1. I agree with Karen 100% that Iron Aquascaper +
>>> Amano Demo = Too Much. 
>>> We have to get double plants, more tanks, more wet,
>>> more clean-up. 
>>> Remember also that these events take TWO HOURS EACH.
>>>  That's a lot of 
>>> sitting around waiting for things to happen.
>>>
>>> 2. Something easy to set up, on *Friday* night, such
>>> as a hardscape-only 
>>> challenge or workshop, seems both doable and
>>> exciting to me, especially if 
>>> it had a nice lead-in.
>>>
>>> 3. Mike spoke in 2004, Jeff spoke in 2006
>>> (photography) AND at NEC last 
>>> year.  They're very good to the AGA, but we might be
>>> in Senske overload. 
>>> I don't remember Jeff's talk in 2006, other than
>>> half of it was in 
>>> Photoshop.  I should go back and look at the DVD.
>>>
>>> 4. We need to have something good for the banquet,
>>> 'cause aquascaping 
>>> contest awards alone won't cut it anymore.
>>>
>>> 5. Karen, you left out Dr. Tan, confirmed right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, maybe there is a possibility of killing two
>>> birds with one stone 
>>> here.  What is Jeff (or Mike's) topic?  Maybe they
>>> could be persuaded to 
>>> do a sort of "pro aquascaping with easy plants", as
>>> that tends to be 
>>> something they excel at for some of their client
>>> installations.  Maybe 
>>> that would cover some of the 'basics' we are
>>> currently missing.
>>>
>>> Back to lurk now.
>>>
>>>   - Erik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Karen Randall wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you get this twice, folks, I'm sorry.  I've
>>> been having a terrible time
>>>> with my e-mail today.  This looks like it was sent
>>> on my end, but didn't
>>>> come back to me (as it should) as part of the AGA
>>> BOD list.  Here's what I
>>>> wrote earlier:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, I've moved this to the BOD list, because I
>>> really think we have to
>>> hash
>>>> out some decisions, and I think we want to present
>>> a united front on the
>>>> larger list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is what Larry sent to the list.  It sounded
>>> pretty confirmed to me:
>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, we have Speakers confirmed.....
>>>>
>>>> We have confirmed Karen Randall, and either or
>>> both Jeff and Mike Senske.
>>> We
>>>> will also have a Seachem speaker but that may
>>> happen if we do the tour of
>>>> their facility.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I talked to Ricky yesterday (He and Doug are in
>>> San Diego for a trade
>>> show)
>>>> and he is going  to talk to Doug again. I will be
>>> talking to Doug next
>>> week
>>>> to get all of the Seachem arrangements confirmed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is the prospective list with a C for those
>>> who are confirmed and a T
>>>> for Tentative:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Karen Randall - C
>>>>
>>>> 2. Jeff Senske - C
>>>>
>>>> 3. Mike Senske - T
>>>>
>>>> 4. Seachem Speaker TBA - T
>>>>
>>>> 5. Takashi Amano - T<<
>>>>
>>>>
>> === message truncated ===>
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