In a message dated 1/11/00 3:13:00 PM, you wrote: <<But on an apisto thread (and an old one, from what i remember) I have found what appear to be very suitable dithers for my caucatoides - Iratherina werneri. I haven't had a spawn from my apistos yet but so far so good - the thread-fins just flit around looking beautiful and bothering no-one. So fingers crossed. >> I also have a pair and they are great. Their mouths are really small. I have mine as dithers with a pair of checkerboards and they ignore each other completely. The pH is less than six and everyone is happy in a tank with leaves, wood, and Java fern. I only wonder if they might get beat up or killed if a spawn occurs (not yet, I'm afraid). Lars ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!