As Helen stated A.sp"sunset" is most likely A.atahualpa. They are sold out of Peru as A.sp "norberti sunset" or Asp."sunset" The Asp. "Frank" is not commonly known to me and is probably a species they had a hard time getting an ID on or a new color variety of a known species or a new species. Most exporters will name a fish after the collecter ie: A.sp coriati, A.sp pandurini etc... Give us a general description of the fish using the Format found at www.thekrib.com and we will be happy to help you id both fish. ===== David Sanchez Orlando, FL http://www.mindspring.com/~barbax barbax@mindspring.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!