IDMiamiBob@aol.com wrote: > > IMHO, I would take out the other male, and watch closely to see which female > becomes the dominant one. These guys are really hard on conspecifics and > won't survive with more than a pair per tank. If you don't take out the > "losers", you will end up with only one pair in the tank anyway. I think Bob has said something not often said in discussion about fish behavior. Apistogramma females are tough. We tend to view the question from the male perspective - with expressions like "harem spawning". My experience of njisseni, panduro and some other species is the females are intensely territorial, kill each other and will run at sub-dominant males. Males are surely bigger, but in some species, it seems males deal with males while females sort things out among themselves. With pelvicachromis taeniatus Moliwe, I observed that females ran the show. As soon as they showed their first sexual characteristics, they began to fight, and to do each other in. I could not keep two adult females in a 20 gallon for long. One of my aquarist friends noted his extra females got 'a mysterious bacterial infection'. I think they got harassed to death. The males never displayed such a consistent level of aggression. With my agas, I've had up to four females in a tank with one male, all spawning in the traditional harem set-up. They didn't fight like njisseni-type apistos, but there was territorial sparring. Certainly, there's no black and white rule, but if we paid more attention to the behavior of female dwarf cichlids, I think we'd see a lot of the older literature at least was looking through testosterone-tinted glasses. Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!