It never seems to amaze me how persistant some fish can be. I have a 55 gallon tank that is a mish mosh of fish species, basically my "dump tank". I hate to refer to it as such but when I need tank space and I've got a single specimen or such, into this tank they go. Well not everything in there is part of the lonely hearts club. I've got a male and around 6 female kribs in there. There are also some gouramis, a few large angels, some tetras, a few large male killifish and a larger pleco. Well I knew that the male krib and the largest female krib were trying to pair off. They spent alot of time displaying in front of each other. Well to make a long story short, after doing 3 straight days of double shifts at work, I came home tonight and was feeding everyone when I noticed something strange in this 55. Everyone else was on the other end of the tank, including the pleco. So I stopped and sat down to find out why. Sure enough under the edge of the hydro sponge filter the female was totting around at least 75+ fry. So I watched her some more. Her colors were intense, even the male had absolutely bright red cheeks all the way back to the anal fin on the bottom of the lateral line. Hadn't seen this much red on a krib male quite some time. The part that I was watching the most was the behavior of the parents. Each parent would take turns running at everyone else in the tank to make sure they stayed away from this end. Even the pleco knew better then come down here. The twitching the female did to get the fry to lay still was neat. When she was twitching to get the fry to do what she wanted, her colors would seem to change. Darker colors would seem to mean stop and be still, brighter colors meant follow me. Even the male seemed to get more intensely colored when guarding the fry. They are both taking turns guarding their clutch of fry. Now how many of the fry are left in the morning when the lights come back on will remain to be seen. But I found it interesting watching the behavior of the fry and parents while guarding their fry. So later on I went and watched the pair of Cacatuoides I have that are totting around fry to see if these guys behavior was sort of the same or different. Well the female cacatuoides didn't change color while bringing her fry around the tank but the same type of twitching went on here too. All the recent talk of maybe using behavior as part of seperating species into which complex made me watch my fish a little more then normal tonight. Glad I did. Sorry for boring everyone with my ramblings. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!