Patience. They'll spawn when they're ready. I wouldn't add another male. Just give the pair time. Took my pair 2 months but now I've got over 100+ fry. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!