Well, I am not sure they were for certain A. inridae; that is how they were labeled though. I saw them at a store called "Pet Arcade" in Terra Linda, Marin County, California. I don't have any more room, so I will pass on them. My other apistos come from Justin at Ocean Aquarium in SF; it has been mentioned many times on the mailing list. Mike, thanks for your detailed info. I will go back to the references and study up on this a bit. Most interesting and helpful indeed. On another topic: My aggies have bred again. They are in a very densely planted 10 gallon tank with some Corydoras hastatus and a couple of serpae tetras as dithers. I know these guys are considered less than ideal as dithers, but these two seem to work out great. They have perfect dispostions, stay away from the side of the tank where the female and fry hang out, and I have had them forever. Anyway, in the tank are the month or so old youngins of an earlier brood of the aggies. They are able to hide out in the dense growth. Today I was watching them, and the female came out with a cloud of 30 or so new fry. Is there any way I can leave the new fry in there, or must I remove them to another tank. I can remove the gravel from a 5 gallon and devote it to the fry I suppose. The female tries to chase her earlier brood, but those kids are really quick. -Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!