oh well, i was in SF in october and i did make a trip to the ocean aquarium. however, i had a really tight schedule and showed up there at 10 am on a sunday. it did not open until 11 and i was being picked up by a friend at 11 that i had not seen in years... so i never made it to this famed store. as for davsatchel's question, i think we all have the collectors bug... yet i think that sometimes we overlook what we have for the "more exotic" species that we only read about. i think blue rams and agassizis are grogeous fish and i'm happy to keep them if i can't have the more exotic and rare ones... tsuh yang chen, nyc, USA ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!