Dan, You fall into the same trap when IDing apistos that many hobbyists do - thinking color patterns are important. The only important color patterns on most apistos are the black markings on the head, flanks and tail. All of the pretty colors can be highly variable. Finnage, especially on domestically developed forms can be very different than those of wild caught specimens, too. If you look at the original descriptions of both A. macmasteri and A. viejita, neither report caudal extensions. These extensions are the result of a combination of plentiful food, quality water conditions, no competition, longer life spans, and selective breeding. The potential for caudal extensions is in every wild specimen. They just need help to grow them. Obviously you haven't been reading the Apisto-gram for long since the Apisto Species List has listed Rotflecken for over 10 years! Now a little history. Linke & Staeck introduced 3 color forms of A. viejita in their book in 1984. In 1985 Koslowski gave each color form a specific name since he wasn't positive that they were all forms of A. viejita. Koslowski called CF I "Rotsaum/Red-edged", CF II "Rotflecken/Red-flecked", and CF III "Schwarkehl/Black-chin". A. viejita CF I in L&S (=Rotsaum) is from the type locality of A. viejita and is certainly the true A. viejita. L&S's CF II (=Rotflecken) is found in oasis pools in the a different major drainage than that of Rotsaum. CF III (=Schwarzsaum) comes from the same drainage as Rotflecken, but is found in shaded stream borders in the Llanos of Colombia. Although the coloration of Rotflecken (gaudy) & Schwarzkehl (drab) are very different, their black markings are the same as are the appearance of the females. Koslowski now believes that A. sp. Schwarzkehl is a species separate from A. viejita and that A. sp. Rotflecken is merely a highly colorful color form of Schwarzkehl. A. sp. Rotflecken is not a domestic form, but selective breeding has enhanced its colors and finnage. Hüser is only one of many breeders worldwide that has worked on enhancing this species. The fish shown in M&B is just the variety that Hüser has developed. Mike Wise Dan Gottsegen wrote: > I have looked at the pictures of the ACA prize winner again and indeed > it is much like the one in Mayland and Bork, caudal extensions, very > yellowish intense color, etc. I have not seen any reference anywhere to > A. sp rotflecken (cf. viejita II) in Aqualog or any other source. > Aqualog does mention three types of viejita though. I am curious whence > the nomenclature? Also, the rotflecken variety is a captive bred (by > Huser?) type? If so is it derived from a true viejita? I know these are > general questions. I'm just curious, answer only if you have time. > > -Dan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. > For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, > email apisto-request@listbox.com. > Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!