>This is rediculous pile of crap. I helped collect the original brood stock >in the Alto Carinagua near the Puerto Ayacucho Airport, their is no way >these fish are hybrids. You should be very careful when assuming that just because a fish comes from the "wild" that its genetic integrity is intact. I have been collecting myself and can take you to locales in Guyana, near the Timheri Airport, where one can find cardinal tetras (a fish that has never made it up the Rio Branco from the Rio Negro or over the Kamoa Mts. into the Essequibo)- these fish were transplanted from Brazil by a rather famous american discus breeder...I did not know they were collected near Puerto Ayacucho (a major ornamental fish transhipping hub), and that only strengthens my suspicions...nowadays, fish get moved and transplanted from their natal habitats all over the ornamental fish trade routes. I could be wrong, I'll fully admit that but I have enough experience with wild caught forms of hongsloi to have been concerned and form an objective opinion- but that is just my opinion, I don't regret culling. O.K. I regret calling into question Tim's skills as a breeder- the fish he sent me were obviously well reared- I was reacting rather emotionally to his childish attempts to muddy my reputation on a public forum over a minor transaction that was about to be resolved. So for that I apologize, I for one had no interest in escalating this and wish none of you were wasting your irreplaceable time on this. This is the last post you will read from me on the subject. sorry again Steven J. Waldron http://WWW.ANURA.ORG "Natural History, Captive Husbandry, Conservation and Biophilia of Tropical Frogs" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!