For what its worth, if I remember ,John is in Tupper Lake NY, a section of the Adirondack mountains that is about as remote and beautiful as any place on the east coast. I do plan on looking him up on one of our vacations to the area. I mention it only because Tupper lake is about the last place you would think of finding a major tropical fish keeper. I would be surprised if there were a pet store within 100 miles. What temperature is it out now John ? (actually we are supposed to go skiing this weekend up in your neck of the woods) Matt Diller ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!