Pete & Mike W. This time I don't think it was the Panduro brothers. By the names being used I'll say that the fish are coming from Carlos Sanchez (Aquarium Lima). If you see names like Frank, Milagros, Miguelito, Daniela, you can bet it's Lima's fish. Mike is right, the "Papagayo" is the same as the "Algodon I" and might be the same as A. sp. "Galaxias". I believe Carlos was using Galaxias before they were named Papagien in Germany. Both, Panduro and Aquarium Lima, had been listing A. sp. "Rio Nanay" as A. sp. "Melgar". After telling them that the fish had already been introduced as A. sp. "Rio Nanay" only Panduro made the change. Take a look at the picture in our web page because there is a slight chance it might be another eunotus complex species we collected last year. Doubt it though. Oh, Mike, write the darn book. Please!!! Julio ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!