Lisa Good luck with the norbeti. I collected some back in the early 90's on two different occasions. I never could get them to spawn. Currently I have: A. guttata A. hoignei (three different locations -- all very different in color and behavior) A. "Piacoa" T. candidi "Rams" Also some wild guppies just for fun. Except for the candidi, all the fish were collected by me with records of location, water parameters, and photographs of the collection sites. Trying to get decent pictures of the fish now. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!