Hi Mike Thanks for the info, I set them up in the same manner as I had success with filamentosus and maculatus. They look real good for fresh imports and are eating well. I happened to be there when a local wholesaler was delivering them and took the whole bag & ordered all the rest he had to insure I would end up with some that would live expecting them to be delicate. How can I get a copy of the D.A.T.Z. article and translation? (I am an ASG member) I have the Romer book also but German is not my language (barely English). Thanks Tom Wojtech ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!