Simon Voorwinde wrote: >She began hiding and gasping very heavily. This could be any number of things, most likely is an accumulation of stress weakening the fish. Spawning and rearing, etc. weakening her, then the male could be harassing her to the point she is just pooped out. If you have the option then relocate here to another tank to give her a break, the male should take over the parenting duties ok. Most loracids should be Ok with the fry, I've got a gibby plec that just lets them be. >The krib project I've been doing the same sort of thing, but without any goal/direction other than trying to un-inbread the common "domestic" LFS krib stock. Once you take some drab common stock from a few different sources you will be amazed at the "quality" of the results (ocelli, colours, vigour etc.). I basically embarked on this as it appeared a good low cost lazy project, so I've not kept real notes, nor tried to map any genetic traits. Some time after Easter (life and work is going to be a bit hectic 'till then), I'll try to compile what notes I have, and rummage my mind, and come up with something with a bit more substance. Scot ________________________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by the Star Screening System http://academy.star.co.uk/public/virustats.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!