Hello Francine If you have any of the Baensch Aquarium atlases, Vol 3 on page 850 has some info, i was just checking up on them because my Philander just spawned 2 days ago. If you have some Nicholsi and want some Philander, i'll trade you some!!! John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!