In my recent experience with 'German' (commercial line bred) Rams, I have found that the number of viable eggs increases as pH and hardness decreases. At a pH at or below 6 and GH and KH below 80-100 I used to get hatch rates approaching 100%. Well, I would get these hatch results If I pulled the slate with the eggs on it out of the breeding tank and placed it into a separate, empty tank with the same water conditions. If I left the eggs with the parents, invariably, the parents or other fish in the tank would eat the eggs or wrigglers. I have to admit that I did get a large number of spinal and other deformities with these fish. Maybe the parents can sense that their offspring aren't quite right before they hatch? I attribute the deformities to excessive inbreeding by the commercial source. My experience with the wild-caught fish I had years ago in college was very different. Kept in similar conditions, I remember that they were great parents - to the point of being brutal to other Rams and non-Ram fish in the tank. It was the memory of my experiences with these Rams that brought me back to dwarves 10 years later. I recently had hoped to experiment with crossing my new wild-caught Rams with my line-bred Rams and select for the offspring with the best attributes from both stock. I would really like to know if there is speciation of commercial line-bred stock to the point were they won't produce offspring with wild-caught stock. This was before the 'plague' nearly wiped out the stock in 3 of my tanks. I have 1 wild female and 1 very tiny but colorful and quickly growing line bred fry left. I hope to get more stock and resume this effort after I get a fish room established next month. My 2 cents worth (at least it is list related this time)... - Chad > From: "gkadar" <gkadar@idirect.ca> > Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com > Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:27:21 -0400 > To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com > Subject: Re: Evolutionary advantages > > > My blue rams, regardless of temp, pH, water hardness, you name it.....spawn > after spawn of fungused eggs. They didn't even seem to consume these with > any enjoyment. Their behaviour while consuming the eggs was as though they > had an obligation to do so and nothing more. > > Gabriella ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!