As an alternative to bloodworms, why not try earthworms? Every fall I take in loads of leaves from the neighbors. Using my lawn mower, I shred up the leaves. Had a pile about 5 ft high and 10 by 10 wide. A lot of leaves. Now I can just rake back a little of the leaf litter to pick up hundreds of organically grown earthworms. Rinse all dirt and leaves from the worms, leaving 100% wigglers. These then go in the freezer in plastic bags. When thouroughly frozen, a single edge razor blade can be used to cut off slivers of the frozen worms. Perfect size for most adult killies. A couple of minutes to thaw and the fish go wild. The dirt within the worms has presented no problem. When the summer gets hot, the worms dig way down, but that is when the mosquitos are at their prime. I certainly think earthworms from my garden are cleaner than blackworms or tubifex (need I say a whole lot cheaper). So here in the northeast in the springtime is a good time to be looking for earthworms. George Davis Wilmington, Delaware ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!