Hello George Hongsloi is a nice looking fish. My pair shows just the slightest bit of red in the caudal peduncle yet i love them. My male has incredible fins and a gorgeous yellow breast area. Now as for breeding them. I have my pair in a ten gallon tank with several terra cot pots, bare bottom, hydro sponge filter and hygrophila floating on the water surface. The temperature in the tank is 76F, pH of 6.5 and hardness of around 15-20 ppm. My pair has spawned twice in the past 1 1/2 months, i removed the first batch of fry for fear of losing a valueable species. They promptly proceeded to spawn 2 weeks later. I thought i saw the male eating the just free swimming fry so i siphoned off the fry. Well i didn't get all the fry and the pair has become great parents. Mom is toting around about 15 fry which i didnt get out when i siphoned the fry out. All three sets of fry are growing well and doing good. First batch are over a 1/4 inch long and growing quick. Good luck with them and enjoy them as I have mine. Dad is so nice looking I feel he'll make a great show fish at the ACA this july. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!