Hongsloi are great fish I got mine from Frank Wilhelm in Germany 2 years ago , the father of mine ( which I saw while there) is on page 44 or 45 of the Aqualog the top fish of the two ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!