The question of beefheart as food for fish is guaranteed to get people's backs up. So here's my views; Used as a supplementary protein source and correctly prepared it can be of use, as long as the diet is well balanced otherwise. We no longer use it here, instead using mainly crustaceans and insect larvae to provide extra protein. The institute we probably have the closest links with is Chester Zoo Aquarium. They use quite a lot of beefheart. Their fish attain large sizes, but with what I consider poor colour (don't tell them I said this!). Our fish attain what I consider natural sizes with good colour. I think it's better to allow the digestive system of a fish to work as naturally as possible. I've seen huge fish raised on beefheart, but this is not a natural condition. If a fish reaches 3" maximum in nature, then that's how big I like it to get in captivity. A 5" specimen is not natural however impressive it looks. This does have more relevance when conservation is an issue, with hopeful re-introduction to the wild at some stage. Cichlids show genetic plasticity, and it doesn't take many generations to radically change the dentition when using an unnatural diet, which could hinder the chances of success when back in a natural environment. I realise that in theory the process could be reversed, but why not try to retain as many of the natural characteristics from the start? I know that I may be being a bit of a purist about this, but I like to try and follow the same protocols for all fish, and to give them all the same treatment. To balance this, I know Helen Burns uses beefheart, and she's one of the best aquarists I know, so it must have merits. Take your choice. Pete Liptrot Bolton Museum Aquarium Le Mans Crescent, Bolton BL1 1SE 01204 332200 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!