Re: Mystery cichlid.

["Bailin Shaw" <bailin_shaw@hotmail.com>]

Mike,

I'll try and see if I can get some pictures of the fish on the list so 
people can identify it.  I believe that someone actually posted a very good 
picture of the fish in a past post.  There was a long discussion of what the 
fish might have been, but I was thoroughly confused after all the discussion 
was done.  Thanks for the help.

Bailin
>From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>
>Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
>To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
>Subject: Re: Mystery cichlid.
>Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:15:29 -0600
>
>Bailin,
>
>I really had problems with your description of this fish. Some of it 
>probably is
>because you didn't have the luxury of enough references and, if your fish 
>is the
>one I think it is, there aren't many published photos of it at all. First 
>off,
>Linke's drawing of A. ortmanni has a major flaw in it. A. ormanni's lateral 
>band
>doesn't extend past the caudal patch into the caudal fin. Like all 
>regani-complex
>species, the lateral band ends in front of a light area just in front of 
>the
>caudal spot. It can't be a macmasteri-group species either, because it does 
>not
>have a serrated dorsal fin. Besides, A. macmasteri has faint abdominal 
>stripes.
>The fish on page 40 is not A. caetei. It is A. sp. Paraguay/Paraguay I. 
>Without
>more details I couldn't ID this fish, but I have a pretty good idea what it 
>is
>because Max Gallade sent me photos of a fish with similar coloration that 
>were
>also sold as A. borellii. I'll bet that they are the same species. It is A. 
>cf.
>resticulosa. Don't look at resticulosa in Linke & Staeck's book. They show 
>a
>photo of A. sp. Wangenflecken instead. Max's fish appears to the same as
>Matsuzaka's A. sp. Mamoré Blue. I am wondering if it isn't the same species 
>that
>has been described on the list as A. sp. Malome. Since I've never seen a 
>photo or
>fish of A. sp. Malome, I can't say for sure.
>
>Mike Wise
>
>Bailin Shaw wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > A friend and I were able to get some "apistos borelli" at the local 
>Petsmart
> > this past week.  I know that recently we had a discussion about the
> > mislabeling of the apistos and someone had posted a picture that looked
> > almost identical to the fish we have.  I believe the person was calling 
>it
> > Apisto. "blue face".  My friend and I feel like it could be an Apisto
> > ortmanni.  Following is a detailed description of the fish in question.  
>Any
> > ideas on what the fish could be would be appreciated.  The description 
>is
> > based on the Horste and Linke dwarf cichlids book.l
> >
> > <I've observed this fish quite a bit now and have decided that it is not
> > ortmanni.
> > Everything about it checks out with the ortmanni drawing, except that 
>the
> > lateral band does not extend into the caudal fin.  It ends with the 
>sixth or
> > seventh traversal bar.  There also are no abdominal stripes or markings.
> > The dorsal fin also seems to not be seperated as much in the front rays. 
>  I
> > also have not been able to detect a pre-orbital stripe.  The super and 
>sub
> > are present though.  The fish is overall a very nice blue color with his
> > face being a brilliant cobalt color with motling around the cheeks and 
>chin
> > regions.
> > THere is *some* reddish-yellowish coloration among the blue too.
> > Particularly above the eyes there is a bright yellow coloration.  He is
> > eating well and doesn't seem to mind the blue ram at all.  Very peaceful 
>so
> > far.  The lateral stripe and traversal bars are very visible too.
> > The caudal spot is very dark and covers most of the base of the caudal 
>fin
> > which does have the striping or blotching that the ortmanni has.
> > I believe the fish may be a macmasteri (pg 85), although his lateral 
>band
> > and traversal bars are much more pronounced - likewise I cannot detect 
>any
> > red around the caudal fin.  IT may even be something close to a caetei 
>(pg.
> > 40) yet his traversal bars are more pronounced and his face is MUCH 
>bluer
> > than the one in this picture.
> > Caudal fin is definitely truncate too.  Although different specimens 
>will
> > likely exhibit different characteristics.>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bailin
> >
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