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RE: Mystery cichlid.
Watch out!!!! I don't think we are allowed to post pics to the list but I'm
sure many people including me (kl@roe.ac.uk) would like to take a look over
private email.
Ken.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bailin Shaw [mailto:bailin_shaw@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 18:09
> To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
> Subject: Re: Mystery cichlid.
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I'll try and see if I can get some pictures of the fish on
> the list so
> people can identify it. I believe that someone actually
> posted a very good
> picture of the fish in a past post. There was a long
> discussion of what the
> fish might have been, but I was thoroughly confused after all
> the discussion
> was done. Thanks for the help.
>
> Bailin
> >From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>
> >Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
> >To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
> >Subject: Re: Mystery cichlid.
> >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:15:29 -0600
> >
> >Bailin,
> >
> >I really had problems with your description of this fish. Some of it
> >probably is
> >because you didn't have the luxury of enough references and,
> if your fish
> >is the
> >one I think it is, there aren't many published photos of it
> at all. First
> >off,
> >Linke's drawing of A. ortmanni has a major flaw in it. A.
> ormanni's lateral
> >band
> >doesn't extend past the caudal patch into the caudal fin. Like all
> >regani-complex
> >species, the lateral band ends in front of a light area just
> in front of
> >the
> >caudal spot. It can't be a macmasteri-group species either,
> because it does
> >not
> >have a serrated dorsal fin. Besides, A. macmasteri has faint
> abdominal
> >stripes.
> >The fish on page 40 is not A. caetei. It is A. sp.
> Paraguay/Paraguay I.
> >Without
> >more details I couldn't ID this fish, but I have a pretty
> good idea what it
> >is
> >because Max Gallade sent me photos of a fish with similar
> coloration that
> >were
> >also sold as A. borellii. I'll bet that they are the same
> species. It is A.
> >cf.
> >resticulosa. Don't look at resticulosa in Linke & Staeck's
> book. They show
> >a
> >photo of A. sp. Wangenflecken instead. Max's fish appears to
> the same as
> >Matsuzaka's A. sp. Mamoré Blue. I am wondering if it isn't
> the same species
> >that
> >has been described on the list as A. sp. Malome. Since I've
> never seen a
> >photo or
> >fish of A. sp. Malome, I can't say for sure.
> >
> >Mike Wise
> >
> >Bailin Shaw wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > A friend and I were able to get some "apistos borelli" at
> the local
> >Petsmart
> > > this past week. I know that recently we had a discussion
> about the
> > > mislabeling of the apistos and someone had posted a
> picture that looked
> > > almost identical to the fish we have. I believe the
> person was calling
> >it
> > > Apisto. "blue face". My friend and I feel like it could
> be an Apisto
> > > ortmanni. Following is a detailed description of the
> fish in question.
> >Any
> > > ideas on what the fish could be would be appreciated.
> The description
> >is
> > > based on the Horste and Linke dwarf cichlids book.l
> > >
> > > <I've observed this fish quite a bit now and have decided
> that it is not
> > > ortmanni.
> > > Everything about it checks out with the ortmanni drawing,
> except that
> >the
> > > lateral band does not extend into the caudal fin. It
> ends with the
> >sixth or
> > > seventh traversal bar. There also are no abdominal
> stripes or markings.
> > > The dorsal fin also seems to not be seperated as much in
> the front rays.
> > I
> > > also have not been able to detect a pre-orbital stripe.
> The super and
> >sub
> > > are present though. The fish is overall a very nice blue
> color with his
> > > face being a brilliant cobalt color with motling around
> the cheeks and
> >chin
> > > regions.
> > > THere is *some* reddish-yellowish coloration among the blue too.
> > > Particularly above the eyes there is a bright yellow
> coloration. He is
> > > eating well and doesn't seem to mind the blue ram at all.
> Very peaceful
> >so
> > > far. The lateral stripe and traversal bars are very visible too.
> > > The caudal spot is very dark and covers most of the base
> of the caudal
> >fin
> > > which does have the striping or blotching that the ortmanni has.
> > > I believe the fish may be a macmasteri (pg 85), although
> his lateral
> >band
> > > and traversal bars are much more pronounced - likewise I
> cannot detect
> >any
> > > red around the caudal fin. IT may even be something
> close to a caetei
> >(pg.
> > > 40) yet his traversal bars are more pronounced and his
> face is MUCH
> >bluer
> > > than the one in this picture.
> > > Caudal fin is definitely truncate too. Although
> different specimens
> >will
> > > likely exhibit different characteristics.>
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bailin
> > >
> > >
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