Wow After reading Gary's post i just realized how much these little quirks get to me too. To hear mild mannered Clark, um Gary Elson grumble out loud, i figured it must be really annoying other people too. I try to respond with a decent paragraph about what i think is appropriate, but do sometimes shoot off a quick shortie in response to someones question. I apologize if I have offended or annoyed anyone with MY replys. I will try to be more thorough in the future or just keep quiet if i cant add a proper response. That's all I will add to this thread, next question! John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!