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RE: Mystery cichlid.
Ken,
Thanks for the warning. Why is it a problem? Was there a previous problem
with posting pics that might have been copyrighted?
Bailin
>From: Ken Laidlaw <kl@roe.ac.uk>
>Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
>To: "'apisto@majordomo.pobox.com'" <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com>
>Subject: RE: Mystery cichlid.
>Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 07:41:55 +0100
>
>Watch out!!!! I don't think we are allowed to post pics to the list but I'm
>sure many people including me (kl@roe.ac.uk) would like to take a look over
>private email.
>Ken.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bailin Shaw [mailto:bailin_shaw@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 18:09
> > To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
> > Subject: Re: Mystery cichlid.
> >
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > I'll try and see if I can get some pictures of the fish on
> > the list so
> > people can identify it. I believe that someone actually
> > posted a very good
> > picture of the fish in a past post. There was a long
> > discussion of what the
> > fish might have been, but I was thoroughly confused after all
> > the discussion
> > was done. Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Bailin
> > >From: Mike & Diane Wise <apistowise@bewellnet.com>
> > >Reply-To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
> > >To: apisto@majordomo.pobox.com
> > >Subject: Re: Mystery cichlid.
> > >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:15:29 -0600
> > >
> > >Bailin,
> > >
> > >I really had problems with your description of this fish. Some of it
> > >probably is
> > >because you didn't have the luxury of enough references and,
> > if your fish
> > >is the
> > >one I think it is, there aren't many published photos of it
> > at all. First
> > >off,
> > >Linke's drawing of A. ortmanni has a major flaw in it. A.
> > ormanni's lateral
> > >band
> > >doesn't extend past the caudal patch into the caudal fin. Like all
> > >regani-complex
> > >species, the lateral band ends in front of a light area just
> > in front of
> > >the
> > >caudal spot. It can't be a macmasteri-group species either,
> > because it does
> > >not
> > >have a serrated dorsal fin. Besides, A. macmasteri has faint
> > abdominal
> > >stripes.
> > >The fish on page 40 is not A. caetei. It is A. sp.
> > Paraguay/Paraguay I.
> > >Without
> > >more details I couldn't ID this fish, but I have a pretty
> > good idea what it
> > >is
> > >because Max Gallade sent me photos of a fish with similar
> > coloration that
> > >were
> > >also sold as A. borellii. I'll bet that they are the same
> > species. It is A.
> > >cf.
> > >resticulosa. Don't look at resticulosa in Linke & Staeck's
> > book. They show
> > >a
> > >photo of A. sp. Wangenflecken instead. Max's fish appears to
> > the same as
> > >Matsuzaka's A. sp. Mamoré Blue. I am wondering if it isn't
> > the same species
> > >that
> > >has been described on the list as A. sp. Malome. Since I've
> > never seen a
> > >photo or
> > >fish of A. sp. Malome, I can't say for sure.
> > >
> > >Mike Wise
> > >
> > >Bailin Shaw wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > A friend and I were able to get some "apistos borelli" at
> > the local
> > >Petsmart
> > > > this past week. I know that recently we had a discussion
> > about the
> > > > mislabeling of the apistos and someone had posted a
> > picture that looked
> > > > almost identical to the fish we have. I believe the
> > person was calling
> > >it
> > > > Apisto. "blue face". My friend and I feel like it could
> > be an Apisto
> > > > ortmanni. Following is a detailed description of the
> > fish in question.
> > >Any
> > > > ideas on what the fish could be would be appreciated.
> > The description
> > >is
> > > > based on the Horste and Linke dwarf cichlids book.l
> > > >
> > > > <I've observed this fish quite a bit now and have decided
> > that it is not
> > > > ortmanni.
> > > > Everything about it checks out with the ortmanni drawing,
> > except that
> > >the
> > > > lateral band does not extend into the caudal fin. It
> > ends with the
> > >sixth or
> > > > seventh traversal bar. There also are no abdominal
> > stripes or markings.
> > > > The dorsal fin also seems to not be seperated as much in
> > the front rays.
> > > I
> > > > also have not been able to detect a pre-orbital stripe.
> > The super and
> > >sub
> > > > are present though. The fish is overall a very nice blue
> > color with his
> > > > face being a brilliant cobalt color with motling around
> > the cheeks and
> > >chin
> > > > regions.
> > > > THere is *some* reddish-yellowish coloration among the blue too.
> > > > Particularly above the eyes there is a bright yellow
> > coloration. He is
> > > > eating well and doesn't seem to mind the blue ram at all.
> > Very peaceful
> > >so
> > > > far. The lateral stripe and traversal bars are very visible too.
> > > > The caudal spot is very dark and covers most of the base
> > of the caudal
> > >fin
> > > > which does have the striping or blotching that the ortmanni has.
> > > > I believe the fish may be a macmasteri (pg 85), although
> > his lateral
> > >band
> > > > and traversal bars are much more pronounced - likewise I
> > cannot detect
> > >any
> > > > red around the caudal fin. IT may even be something
> > close to a caetei
> > >(pg.
> > > > 40) yet his traversal bars are more pronounced and his
> > face is MUCH
> > >bluer
> > > > than the one in this picture.
> > > > Caudal fin is definitely truncate too. Although
> > different specimens
> > >will
> > > > likely exhibit different characteristics.>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bailin
> > > >
> > > >
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