Simone , Ray and some others...........my head is swelling.....thanks for the complements. My web page is http://geocities.com/RainForest/4327 My equipment is as follows: Nikon N-70/Nikon 105mm Micro lens/Nikon SB 28 flash unit/ a $20 "slave" flash unit.......folks, the most important of all of the equipment is the $20 "slave" flash.........it has a sensor that sets it off when another flash goes off..................giving twice the light (and from the angle you want).........quite frankly the Nikon unit was a birthday present from my wife and she got a little pricey..........but SUPER stuff...........but that slave flash is the key. I've seen a buddy of mine use a camera flash and 2 or 3 of the slave units. aside from the slave units just have patients............BIG TIME. But if you really want to know what I know, go to http://geocities.com/NapaValley/5491 and read his articles on photography and enjoy his photos.........Vinny Kutty is a great friend of mine that moved from Tampa to LA several years ago, and he taught me everything I know......I had floundered for years until I watched him work......and his results. First of all he has the patients of a saint.......you should see the length he goes to settle the fish down and be "normal" and spots on the glass and the clarity of the water and the plants and driftwood.........but the use of slave flashes is tremendous. I can't say enough about Vinny....he has had several dozed photos published in the monthly fish magazines and he had a tremendous article/pictures in the Cichlid News......Jan. of this year (2000). Folks go to his site and read about taking photos...............Vinny is a great guy and tolerates the most simple questions...........I asked them all. Look at the quality of his web page and make him a friend, maybe you could say "hi" to him at the ACA 2000 in Cleveland. Trust me I just put into practice what Vinny taught me............but if you folks have any questions feel free to e-mail me personal........to the rest of you guys that aren't interested in taking photos I apologize for the lengthy message here!!!! Mike Mike Jacobs Center for Advanced Technologies Lakewood H.S. St Pete, Fl 33705 mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!