try this link then - http://www.geocities.com/Rainforest/Jungle/4327/ ( it worked for me just a second ago ) - Thanks Mike ( Jacobs that is ! lol ). So is your primary flash mounted on your camera or off ? I guess the slave unit is the go then ! Regards, Simon http://thecichlidtank.cjb.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!