On the subject of your sick female apisto, you might check the pH. Sometimes it will become quite acidic and this will cause the eyes of some of the fish to become cloudy and some will get a white dot in the center. If this is the case, do a 25% water change. Then the next day do a 50% water change. No matter what the problem is this won't hurt and it might help. Joe Hildreth 15 Cedar Street Potsdam,NY 13676 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!