Bill...........and some of you other folks who are looking at us as though we are goofy.... ......actually I admit to that but let me talk for a second about my "trials" with Cyclop-eeze. I finally got a can of Cyclop-eeze from the apisto group and thought my bbs days were over........I thought the days of paying now $100 for a can of "premium" eggs was done. As soon as I got the can I rushed to my fishroom and started feeding fish (some 80 tanks). Now mind you these are fish that from their first day on earth have not seen anything but some sort of live food.............bbs, BBS, black worms(don't get in a tizzy, I've been using blackworms since I first saw them in 1969...you have to clean them and not give them to some fish right off the bat....F0 apistos), daphnia, infusoria, micro-worms, earth worms..........95% of my fish have never tasted a non-moving food in their entire stay with me.........folks, the Cyclop-eeze went right to the bottom and was there the next day as though it were a plague. OK..........clean it up and starve the little buggers.........feed-em C-ezze and sooner or later everything will be alright. Well, it's not a big deal, but I lost 2 spawns of angels and 1 spawn of aggies before I gave the can away. I got some more at the AKA convention in Tampa and I tried it again..............I figured that it had to be me because so many people were just raving about it. I didn't loose any fry because I didn't let it go but for 2 days, but still no success, most picked at it and spit it out....NO ONE got anything like a full belly at ALL...the fry wouldn't touch it...right to the bottom. It just went to the bottom and sat there and in the killie and angel raising tanks I had to put snails and cats in there because it began to get really bad on the bottom..........now folks, I'm trying...........but some of us simply don't have Cyclop-eeze "thumbs" yet. I spend a BUNCH of time raising live foods for my fish..........I forgot vinegar eels in that last list........do you folks think I wouldn't rather spend that time doing something with the fish..........come on..............just today I actually spent $100 on a lb. of bbs...........folks, I'm a little goofy, but not really dumb.........I was around when that 1 lb. can sold for $9.00..............do you think I wouldn't do Cyclop-ezze if I could.........please don't flame and call me stupid.......as I said, I accept that ($100 for a 1 lb. can of bbs)........help some of us out please............ Thanks........ Mike Mike Jacobs Center for Advanced Technologies Lakewood H.S. St Pete, Fl 33705 mjacobs2@tampabay.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: William Vannerson <William_Vannerson@ama-assn.org> To: <apisto@majordomo.pobox.com> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: Re: RE: Cyclop-eeze >>Am I missing something here? Proven feeds like decaps, bbs and gut-loaded Artemia are being abandoned for an exotic-sounding name that's *no less expensive*?<< One pound cans of BS Cysts are far more expensive than the $20 for Cyclop-eeze, which will last as long if not longer. Plus there's no hassle of hayching, decap'ing or feeding (gut loading) Artemia. Lastly, Cyclop-eeze has more nutritional value than BS or BBS alone. (gut loading adds nutrients, but it also adds additional cost and labor). So it's less expensive, easier to use and nutritious. There are some draw backs. First, some contend that there are nutrients found in live food (trace minerals, etc.) that cannot be found in any dried food. Second, you may run into problem fish or fry that won't eat Cyclop-eeze. But I haven't heard of such a case yet and my experience has proven that my fish relish it. My small killies start devouring it almost the instant it hits the water. But of course, YMMV. Bill Vannerson http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/william_vannerson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!