Mmmmmm, don't you think you're going a little too far the other way? We heard from the medical profession for many years on how "cranky" holistic and natural medecines were and now many forms are being used as serious alternatives to traditional medical practice. I see nothing that convinces me either way as to which is more broad band Melafix or some laboratory produced chemical. Some people go against something _because_ it is natural, others goagainst something because it _isn't_. It's a shame we can't get past the attitude and think of the suffering fish. Both natural and lab chemicals have lethal doses, do the fish care what that dose is? Colin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!