Mike, Thank-you for your response, but questions still remain in this thick head of mine. Will all my P. subocellatus fall into one of these categories? a) P. subocellatus Form 1 MONAD b) P. subocellatus Form 2 MATADI c) P. sp. aff. subocellatus (of which there are 2 forms; larger and smaller) or is there a fourth, actually the first; simply Pelvicachromis subocellatus, "described...in 1871...(and) hardly ever offered or kept nowadays."? You also said, "Most "Wild Kribensis" that I've seen are Nigerian Pelvicachromis species - mostly Pv. pulcher with occasional Pv. taeniatus Nigeria forms & Pv. sp. aff. subocellatus." What would you then suspect of "wild kribs" that looked just like the picture on page 142? The male is a mirror image with a more prominent black lateral line. The female has the telltale dorsal spot, but is otherwise colored like the male and the picture. You actually guessed the nature of my greatest mystery; trusting the claimed identity of another set; sold as MATADI. They are not like the pictures, nor the "wild kribs". I'll tackle that later. Kevin Korotev ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!