And that is the rub Mike. Some would say that what you call "improvements" are actually bastardizations - crimes against nature if you will. Hell, some of these folks would actually like to make it illegal. I cannot remember the details and it was one of those crazy Killie guys that actually did it. He created a far more colorful fish through selective breeding and realizing that he had lost the original strain, ditched his improved fish without passing it to someone who would appreciate it, and went back to breeding the original strain - sicko. I guess I have to admit that I am into experimentation. If I could produce a "better" fish through whatever means, I would. Problem is that hybridization almost never does. They usually do not look better and almost always are infertile. False fish? come on, that is a ridiculous term. What is it, a reptile. Let's get real folks. We like wild fish for many reasons - challenge, natural beauty, you name it. But almost all of us like really gorgeous fish. Does how they got that way really matter? I think the one thing we can all agree on is we would REALLY like to know what we have. Ok I lied when I said I would go back to lurking, but I would like to hear from those who disagree. I love to hear other peoples point of view instead of what kind of fish is really on page 6013 of some book I don't even have. I sure would like to have some of those wild Guppies. Guess that does not fit with what precedes but it is true. You bring some to Cleveland, I'll buy 'em. Mike & Diane Wise wrote: > Triple red cacatuoides are not hybrids, they are domestic "improvements" on the wild > populations. > > Mike Wise > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!