Sorry Carl, But I have talked many times with the GLCS and the day and time will be up to what's available. I won't know until I arrive on Thursday am and then it will still be up in the air. My best guess would have to be Fri eve. as Thursday many will not be there yet and Sat is the banquet. Too bad they had problems contacting and getting answers from the spin-off specialty groups. Don ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!