On the subject of baby ram fry, you have received the right answer. In my experience, once they are big enough to eat baby brine shrimp, the secret is to keep their water quality as high as possible. Water changes does it for me. About a year ago, I raised around 35-40 of them in a 10 gallon tank to about 3/4" long just by doing daily water changes of 50-80%. Joe Hildreth 15 Cedar Street Potsdam,NY 13676 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!