when all else fails try againg water with peat in a container for a few weeks. this helps. also check your conductivity, the rainwater may be highly polutted from the roof or other environmental contamenants. I usualy have no problems with rainwater so maybe checking the us/cm would be a good starting point. Clean your roof, check the counductivity . go to www.thekrib.com for more info on counductivity and other related matters hope you get some eggs now. Dave Sanchez ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!