Fredrik,Ken,Mike, Fish menopause? Now you really got me scared, hehehehe. I had some cacatuoides sneaker males before and their physical appearance stayed the same even after removing the dominant male.I have never seen anything like this.I mentioned that my fish never spawned and I definitely wont claim that a sex reversal is going on.Just a little cross dressing maybe?It would be interesting to see if the two will breed.Unfortunately all my breeding tanks are packed with youngens.I'll try to breed them soon and let you know of any success. Looks like cross dressing is the only way to get D.maculatus males these days:). Max ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!