I was thinking of trying Keyholes as well. I've got a four foot heavily planted tank with rummies, pencils and a few ageing assorted apisto females (Ph 6.5, very soft, 27 degrees). I thought I might start with four juvenile Keyholes. Does anyone have any adverse comments on the traits of these fish - messy, pushy, plant nibblers, grow too big, etc? BTW, in case anyone's interested, I managed to get a few (three to be precise) survivors from eggs stripped from a pair of McMasteri (the female always ate them). Just as well as the handsome father suddenly turned dark and died soon after. I can't sex the kids yet but the largest one has glints of blue cheek so I'm hoping he's a he. Cheers ------------------------------------------------------------ from John McCrone ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!