Well I'm the one who has better luck leaving ram fry with the parents afer they have been free swimming for 2 days. I have had success with rams by pulling the eggs but I have also had many losses and I don't know why. It has simply been my experience that ram fry do better if they are left with the parents for a few days before I pull them out. Whether I pull the eggs or leave the fry with theparents, the young fry are given micro worms for the first 2 or 3 days that they are free swimming. From then on they are given bbs. Also, I really enjoy watching the parents take care of their fry. I'm not one who believes that my way is the only way. However, I know that many experienced fish breeders can have trouble with rams that they don't have with other Apisto fry. So if someone wishes to disagree that's fine, but I will continue share what years of experience have taught me. Currently I am enjoying watching about 150 young adult rams. Joe Hildreth 15 Cedar Street Potsdam,NY 13676 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!