Well, I try to keep the water in good shape by doing 50% or more water changes once a week using my tap water which is very soft (less than 1 degree KH andGH). I always have live plants in with the fish as well. Then I just let the pair keep laying eggs until they start to begin caring for the fry. Sometimes it takes a pair several trys for this to happen. If I want to raise a large number of fish, i pull them after 2 days of free swimming. Then the pair will lay more eggs and I get more fry. If I don't want more fish I just leave the fry with their parents and watch them grow up together until I have to take out some fish because of overcrowding. All of this is done in a 10 gallon tank. Finally, i keep the water at 82-85 degrees and feed the adults my beefheart mix (I also breed angelfish and discus). Joe Hildreth 15 Cedar Street Potsdam,NY 13676 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!