Rams, like many other species, need a set range of water parameters to spawn, and a tighter set of parameters to tend their fry. It does appear that certain bloodlines of rams have lost the parental instinct. Most of the folks succeeding on this list have fish from wild or German stock. The cloudiness may be from dirt in the gravel. It could also be a bacterial bloom. If the fish are healthy, don't worry about it. It will go away eventually. Bob Dixon Cichlid Trader List Administrator º o http://cichlidtrader.listbot.com 0 ><}}})º> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!