I have a "triple red" A. cacatuoides which has me guessing whether it is male or female. It has a lot of the typical fin coloration seen in this "color select" form, but it also has the dark lines below the lateral line, and the black fin markings on the leading edge of the pelvic fin. I know that as this fish is continuously "select bred", it is reasonable that the coloration should intensify, and most of my females show at least a little of the red-and-black flame pattern on their dorsal and/or caudal fin. Is it possible in a single generation for that coloration to intensify in a single female to be almost as strong as the males? I'm looking for speculation here as much as for experience in this thread. Any input is welcome and appreciated. Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!