Steve I can give you the water temperature where I collected several Apistos. A. guttata 28C A. hoignei 30C, 27C, 29C, 35C (several different sites) A. "piacoa" 29C A. nijsseni - unfortunately did not get temp but water was fairly cool- guess around 24-25C A. norberti - again no formal temp but water cool and shaded. Rams 33C, 30C Nannacara "venezuela" 35C, 28C, As with the two above without temps I did not get temps on collecting sites for A. agassizi (cool and shaded), bitainiata, cacatoides,eunotus, or Apistogrammoides. Those were in my early days of collecting and more interested in getting fish and unfortunately not collecting proper data. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!