i have one rather touching story as well... i had six ram cichlids, two males and three females. two of the females who spawned ate their eggs every time. the two males were not good fathers either. but one of the females defended her brood ferociously, even when i stuck my hand or a fish net into the tank! the male she mated with was kept under constant supervision by this female. she forced him to watch over the brood and pecked at him occasionally to keep him on top of business. hence, he did not eat the fry and became a wonderful father. one week after the fry became free swimming, a black smelly thing started growing on the gravel (the tank they bred in was heavily planted and well established for five years. to this day i still dont know what caused the plague)! it did not subside so rather than lose the fry and parents i removed them all. the mother did not take it well, refusing to eat or swim. she just sat there, degenerating .a week later, the female died, of sadness i believe :( the fry died as well under my care because i guess no one can replace momma! interesting thing was with the male. afterwards, whenever he spawned, he became a very good father. i think he actually learned how to be a good parent. he watched over the brood while his mate (either one of the other two females) just swam around, not acknowledging the eggs. he even cared for them after they became free swimming, unlike the other females. whenever the other females moved fry around, they would swallow five and spit out only two.... so, i believe that fish (or at least cichlids if not all) have feelings, as well as the ability to learn. -frank _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!