I would remove the male. If the tank is too small, he is not being given enough room to perform his "perimeter patrol" duties. If she is unwilling to defend against the dithers, then move the eggs to their own tank. But don't confuse defending the spawning site with "hiding in the cave". Bob Dixon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!