Hi Rich, My friend Mike is right. Trust Vinny. I have had and seen many C. regani's but have never seen one with a spike tail. Both pages are photo's of Regani and you should be told that Frank Warzel who's photo's are on Juan's page is THE worldwide authority on pike cichlids. Vinny I know agrees. If you have those that look like C. sp. Venezuela I also have those and they are about 5" and still have the striations which they are supposed to loose. I'm sure Vinny will correct anyting wrong we may have said. Good luck with whatever you have. Don Zilliox ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!