Is there any way to get an image up? Do you know anyone with a digicam? They certainly don't sound like regani from your description. Which retailer did you use, if it's not confidential info.? Pete Liptrot, Bolton Museum, Art Gallery and Aquarium Aquarium Department Tel.no.01204 332200 http://www.boltonmuseums.org.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!