Hello Randy I am very fortunate that i have been getting good hatch rates out of my cans, im not sure of the brand name, but i get them through my killie club. UNYKA buys cans by the case and sells them to club members, where ever we can get a good deal in bulk numbers is where we've been getting them from. In the past i have had a few cans that were not very good hatch rates. I've always found that adding a little extra salt helps me get better hatch rates. I dont know if im being overly cautious but i use marine salts for my hatching salts, ive found this to be the best. People say that salt is salt , but this isnt so. Several years ago a former member of my Killie group, Jeff Bilbrough, ran a test on hatching brine shrimp. He found that if you use regular salt to hatch bbs, that the pH in the jar was ok ( alkaline around 7.8 ) until they eggs hatched then the pH went down alot to around 7.2 or in that range. Using Marine salt, pH before hatching was around 8.0 and stayed higher after eggs hatched, above 7.6. What ever reasons, Using Marine salts helped life span of baby brine shrimp and helped hatch rates. I cant be specific of all details as Jeff passed away awhile ago. But i know he was a very good aquarist, one of the best i've ever known. What he did worked and has worked for me since. So my recomendation is to try using marine salts. Costs me $30 for a big 5 gallon bucket and i've been using it for around a year now!! For the 10 or 15 cents a day , why not , considering the cost of eggs now! John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!