Hello Eric Your male certainly looks like a Steindachneri. He looks like my Steindachneri's. Now as for a good clue if your female really is a cacatuoide, look at her from the front, if she has that black bar under her bottom lip, you got a female cacatuoides like you thought. They can be called black chins or i've seen them labeled like that. Too bad you dont have mates for either one, if you wait till warmer weather , i can help you out with a female steindachneri, got a tank full of the buggers and no one wants them. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the apistogramma mailing list, apisto@listbox.com. For instructions on how to subscribe or unsubscribe or get help, email apisto-request@listbox.com. Search http://altavista.digital.com for "Apistogramma Mailing List Archives"!